Speed Demon pisze:Szukałem i szukałem, i nie znalazłem. Otóż znalazłem na youtubie video, które wyraźnie, ale to bardzo bardzo bardzo wyraźnie dowodzi, że utwór Tempertona "Thriller" to najplagiatszy z plagiatów.
Artist: Michael Jackson
Song: Thriller
Album: "Thriller"
Year: 1982
(Original)
Artist: Luixi Toledo
Song: Exorcismo
Album: "Greatest Hits Vol. 1"
Year: 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rKPz2-KXVE
No i drobne info z jednego bloga:
Toledo ponoć między 1969 a 1974 wysyłał Michaelowi swoje utwory na urodziny, bo urodzili się mniej więcej w podobnym czasie. A potem jak usłyszał "Thrillera" to poczuł, że go "wydymali". "Thrillera" skomponował jednak Temperton. Czy ktoś może potwierdzić, że Exorcismo pochodzi z 1966 roku?
Xander pisze:Masakra... co z tym robic? Co o tym myslec?
blackrose1107 pisze:Fakt, podobieństwo uderzające...
Speed Demon pisze:Oglądałem parę video tego gościa, poszukam jeszcze, czy na pewno numer pochodzi z 1966 roku, bo jednak nie wydaje mi się do końca;)
hope pisze:mysle, ze gdyby rzeczywiscie to byl taki wielki plagiat to sprawa by byla baaardzo rozglosniona. jednak ten caly wykonawca nigdy nie interesowal sie swoimi prawami autorskimi (ps. wole jednak wykonanie Michaela, ten pan troszeeeczke falszuje)
Jako pisze:Kurcze głupia sprawa...Prosze sprawdzcie, bo..... no niby Michaela wykonanie lepsze, ale to jednak jakby plagiat...
Smutne to troche :(Maverick pisze:no nie wiem co my teraz poczniemy... ja takiej niegodności nie zniosę, jak można robić plagiaty... jeśli to prawda to odchodzę...
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A co na to MJ?
za Mexican Deposition, November 8th, 1993
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L: “I’d like you to…uh talk now about the song ‘Thriller’. Uh… are you familiar with the song ‘Thriller’?”
MJ: “Yes.” *scratching lip*
L: “Who wrote ‘Thriller’, Mr. Jackson?”
MJ: “A guy named Rod Temperton.”
L: “Did you have any role in connection with the song ‘Thriller’ at all?”
MJ: “I sang ‘Thriller’.”
L: “Did you have an role in writing the song?”
MJ: “No.” *scratch lip*
L: “When did you first hear the song ‘Thriller’?”
MJ: “I first heard the song, it was called……….it was a different title… I heard it in Encino, at my house in Encino…. It was under a different title.”
L: “What was that title?”
MJ: “Starlight Sun”
L: “and…who brought you that song under a different name?”
MJ: “Rod Temperton”
L: “Did he come to your uh…studio, did he come to your house alone or was he with someone?”
MJ: “He came with Quincy.”
L: “Before uh…. Rod Temperton brought you this demo of ‘Starlight’ um did you have any contact in connection with the song ‘Starlight’?”
MJ: “No”
L: “When he got to your house, what did Mr. Temperton do, in connection with the song ‘Thriller?’”
MJ: “He had…. He came with a keyboard machine…. and I kind of admired the way he worked… *scratch lip* he had all of the sounds already programmed inside the machine…so when he midid the sounds to another keyboard or to a main board that’s in the studio…which is the audio board *scratches chest* um…. They would play the sounds and the performance that he had performed somewhere else… it could have been Switzerland or Germany…so all the parts were there, inside that machine…. done and performed already.” *drink tea*
L: “At some point did…did you hear the song ‘Thriller?’” or ‘Starlight’ at the time? Let me withdraw that… At sometime did you learn the song ‘Starlight’?”
MJ: “Yes.”
L: “How did you learn it?”
MJ: “He just sang… well he… he sings on a tape and it’s his voice singing
against uh… a demo.” *chews on fingernail*
L: “And again, what was the name of the song when it was on that demo?”
MJ: “’S…. Starlight Sun.’”
L: “Uh… in your performance of um….”
MJ: *chews on nail again*
L: “…. what would eventually become ‘Thriller’, did you make any changes in connection with your performance in the music?”
MJ: “…………………………………….(20 seconds)………………..Not that I can think of…”
L: “Did you play any role in writing the music underlying the lyrics that go “It’s close to midnight and something evil’s lurking in the dark?”
MJ: “No.”
L: “Who wrote the lyrics for ‘Thriller’?”
MJ: “Rod Temperton.”
L: “Who has writing credit for ‘Thriller?’”
MJ: “Rod Temperton.”
L: “Did you get any writing credit for ‘Thriller’’?
MJ: “No.”
L: “Before this…. before this lawsuit, before this lawsuit did you ever hear of a song entitled ‘Run On Man Child’?
MJ: “No.”
L: “Uh…at anytime, Mr. Jackson, did you give Rod Temperton music from someone else that Rod Temperton could put that music in ‘Thriller’”?
MJ: “Nooo.”
L: “Turning to another subject…do you realize that Joseph Jackson is one of the defendants in this case?”
MJ: “…. I heard…”
L: “Who’s Joseph Jackson?”
MJ: “…my father…”
L: “Uh…at anytime, in your professional career, has Joseph Jackson ever uh…provided music that uh…. you or your group um…. would perform for recording purposes?”
MJ: “Repeat your question?”
L: “Yeah…at anytime during your professional career, has Joseph Jackson had any role in selecting the songs that you or your group would perform?”
MJ: “No.”
L: “Did uh…Joseph Jackson ever give you music written by Raynard Jones?”
MJ: *laugh* “No…”
L: “Robert Smith?….or Clifford Ruben?”
MJ: *laugh* “No…”
L: “Joseph Jackson have any role in creating Rod Temperton’s ‘Thriller’?
MJ: *laugh* “No…”
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A: “Could the whole process have taken about two days? Now, let me rephrase that….let me rephrase that……what did…what did Mr. Temperton do when he and Quincy came to your studio to present the song?”
MJ: “……..He played…….on cassette……which we went into my um……I think it was Quincy’s car..*scratching top of head*….or….my van…and….because we don’t have a cassette machine system in my studio….but um……he came with a keyboard….and in the keyboard….it’s his performances….of the different sounds…..he can midi those sounds…*scratching cheek*….and um…put them up on tape, on the 24 track….and uh…..put them on tape…..and it was a way of testing….to see if I liked the songs or not, with my voice trying different harmonies…trying the songs…….like I said we did Thriller which was um….called ‘Gimme Some Starlight, Starlight Sun’…..*sings to the tune of thriller, thriller night…* Starlight……starlight sun…that’s how it went, so, it was a way of just testing you know, what I wanted to do.”
A: “Alright, now…ok now, he laid the structure of the very songs out in front of you…and you recorded…you sung each one of them, is that correct?”
MJ: “Yes.”
A: “And…. among the songs you sang…was the one ‘Starlight’…”
MJ: “Right.”
A: “Did you make any changes to that… ‘Starlight’?”
MJ: “Yeah…. *scratching chin* the lyrics and the title and we added Vincent Price’s voice……we changed it into ‘Thriller’….well he did ask me, which would I like better…..to be a song about…you know let the sunshine in type of thing….or ‘Thriller’…and I thought, kids would enjoy something more fun like ‘Thriller’….so, we went with the ‘Thriller’ idea.” *drinking tea*
A: “Did you change…..did you change ‘Starlight’ musically?”
MJ: “Um…….yeah somewhat…….m…musically it was the same but we added other songs and things like that.” *drinking tea*
A: “After you made the changes, do you know whether or not Mr. Temperton created a lead sheet for what was now ‘Thriller’?”
MJ: *clearing throat* “I don’t think he reads music…*closing jacket*…he doesn’t…”
A: “Did..”
MJ: “He doesn’t use a lead sheet….” *scratching chin*
A: “Did Quincy Jones create a lead sheet for what was now ‘Thriller’?”
MJ: “I don’t……..I don’t think so….at least I didn’t see one….”
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